From: madonna-digest-owner@mlvc.org (Madonna-Digest) To: madonna-digest Subject: Madonna-Digest V6 #304 Reply-To: madonna@mlvc.org Sender: madonna-digest-owner@mlvc.org Errors-To: madonna-digest-owner@mlvc.org Precedence: bulk Madonna-Digest Friday, November 7 1997 Volume 06 : Number 304 Re: Madonna: M songs in movies Madonna: Courtney in US RE: Madonna: M songs in movies Re: Madonna: M songs in movies Madonna: RE: lotsa Bryan's Re: Madonna: M songs in movies Madonna: Re:SOTW: Forbidden Love Re: Madonna: Kylie Minogue Re: Madonna: Courtney in US and all OVER!! Re: Madonna: another lyric question for ya'll... Re: Madonna: Courtney in US and all OVER!! Re: Madonna: Courtney in US Madonna: Searching:Buenos Aires Re: Madonna: Courtney in US Madonna: MadInfo: EVITA AT WOOLWORTHS NEXT WEEK Madonna: Europe Music Awards 97 Madonna: [Fwd: MTV Europe Music Awards] Madonna: I need your HELP! Re: Madonna: another lyric question for ya'll... Madonna: Get over Courtney!!! Madonna: Performance Madonna: MTV awards Madonna: MadInfo: MTV Europe Music Awards Madonna: MadInfo: NO AWARD FOR MADONNA!!! Re: Madonna: Courtney in US Re: Re: Madonna: lotsa Bryans. :o) Re: Madonna: Courtney in US Re: Madonna: another lyric question for ya'll... Madonna: Defending: Kylie & Did U Do It Madonna: LIKE A PRAYER Re: Madonna: Wal-Mart not selling Madonna anymore Madonna: MTV Europe. Re: Madonna: Wal-Mart not selling Madonna anymore Madonna: Forbidden Love--not my pick Madonna: MadInfo: **** OLD SPICE, THE BIG 40 - NEWS ARTICLE **** Madonna: Enough with the gay stuff! Re: Madonna: lotsa Bryans. :o) Madonna: Buenos Aires on Billboard Re: Madonna: Courtney in US Madonna: kylie minogue/new album Re: Madonna: Videos Madonna: Wal-Mart is the one doing something wrong, not me! Re: Madonna: Wal-Mart is the one doing something wrong, not me! Madonna: Lyrical Mistakes Re: Madonna: Lyrical Mistakes Re: Madonna: Lyrical Mistakes Madonna: SOTW: Forbid-den Lahahove... Re: Madonna: MTV Europe. Madonna: WHA'TS UP W/OUR LADY M & RU PAUL Madonna: New/OLD news. Re: Madonna: Entertainment Tonight!!! Madonna: Madonna News Madonna: do you really want to lose weight? Madonna: Looking for Fans in SF Madonna: the new album date? Madonna: Madonna VS. Motley Crue Re: Madonna: Wal-Mart not selling Madonna anymore --------------------------------------------------------------------- To remove yourself from this list, send mail to: madonna-digest-request@mlvc.org with the line unsubscribe madonna-digest or visit http://www.mlvc.org/lists on the web. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:12:21 -0500 (EST) From: David B Hanna Subject: Re: Madonna: M songs in movies > I think "Cherish" was in a Gregg Araki movie. I have the name of it in By the way, Gregg Araki makes very good gay films. His best is probably "The Living End." "Totally F**cked Up" wasn't bad either. I don't remember if either of these is the Cherish movie. Anyone? Sorry, somewhat off topic, but still relevant. Dave - -- David B Hanna University of Pennsylvania dhanna@unagi.cis.upenn.edu http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dhanna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:34:49 +0000 From: "MARQUETTE, Seth" Subject: Madonna: Courtney in US Courtney has an ULTRA Madonna like spread in theis month's issue of US... pretty rediculous if you ask me. Hell... she even goes to the poit of standing in the streets nude... only with panties and a trench coat carefully placed (see Maddona hitchhiking in Miami.) Can't this girl get some originality? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:37:14 -0500 From: Eric Osborn - DSN Subject: RE: Madonna: M songs in movies "Cherish" was featured in "My Private Idaho" (directed by Gus Van Zandt & starring River Phoenix & Keanu Reeves). The song was being played on a jukebox in a restaurant scene. Eric >---------- >From: David B Hanna[SMTP:dhanna@unagi.cis.upenn.edu] >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 6:28 AM >To: madonna@mlvc.org >Subject: Madonna: M songs in movies > >I think "Cherish" was in a Gregg Araki movie. I have the name of it in >my mail archives somewhere but am too lazy to check. Anyone remember? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: David B Hanna Subject: Re: Madonna: M songs in movies Oh, you're right! Duh. Well, I knew it was a fag movie anyway. (PC alert -- I am using the word fag in a non-epithetical way. Now, to find out if non-epithetical is really a word or not...) Dave > "Cherish" was featured in "My Private Idaho" (directed by Gus Van Zandt > & starring River Phoenix & Keanu Reeves). The song was being played on > a jukebox in a restaurant scene. > > Eric > > >---------- > >From: David B Hanna[SMTP:dhanna@unagi.cis.upenn.edu] > >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 1997 6:28 AM > >To: madonna@mlvc.org > >Subject: Madonna: M songs in movies > > > >I think "Cherish" was in a Gregg Araki movie. I have the name of it in > >my mail archives somewhere but am too lazy to check. Anyone remember? > - -- David B Hanna University of Pennsylvania dhanna@unagi.cis.upenn.edu http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dhanna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:57:49 -0500 From: Bryan Bowen Subject: Madonna: RE: lotsa Bryan's >i know that there is more than one Bryan (with a "y"...yay!) on this list, >and i just want to make sure that all you's out there can tell all of us >apart. Okay, I'll sign mine BryanB BryanB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:24:53 -0500 (EST) From: BClochard@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna: M songs in movies In a message dated 97-11-06 06:32:28 EST, you write: << I think "Cherish" was in a Gregg Araki movie. I have the name of it in my mail archives somewhere but am too lazy to check. Anyone remember? (I'm sure you do.) >> Madonna's "Cherish" appeared in Gus Van Sant's "My Own Private Idaho," starring River Phoenix and Keanu Reeves, during a cafe scene... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:37:42 +0000 From: "Pasta's Protege" Subject: Madonna: Re:SOTW: Forbidden Love >FL was at one time my favorite song on BS (it was first Sanctuary, then >FL, now Love Tried To Welcome Me). That those three album tracks are so >strong--that the album is so consistent as opposed to being divided into >phenomenal singles and OK-to-pretty-good album filler--is one reason I >consider BS to be Madonna's best album after her debut. Great, great, great! Me too. FL was in fact, my favourite Madonna song at one time, though not now. For me, people were always going on about how well her albums flowed and held together and I could never see that. But when BSes came out it seemed obvious to me. I think it's a shame that HN was put after IMO because the progression between IMO, FL, LTTWM, S, BS and TAB is fantastic. BSes is in fact, perhaps, my favourite album, although I find it hard to compare LAP, E and BSes because in their own right they are all fantastic. David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 10:36:34 PST From: "Henry Sverrisson" Subject: Re: Madonna: Kylie Minogue Kylies >vocals are fixed so much, she uses a special microphone to record her >vocals, and if anyone knows Rick Astley, from the same producers, slow >down Kylies voice and you'll have Rick's voice. Her vocals are not fixed that way anymore - SAW made her do a lot of things she was not happy about and so she left them. She didnīt have that much control back then but now she does and it sure shows - she writes or co-writes all her new material and it is brilliant!!! And if you think she canīt sing you should hear songs like "If you donīt love me" and "Dangerous game". Anyways, I really like her and I DO think she is a fabilous artist. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:38:10 -0500 (EST) From: BClochard@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna: Courtney in US and all OVER!! <> Yes, I really thought this was so blatantly a rip-off too... Did anyone see Courtney at the VH-1 Fashion and Music Awards... She sounded so much like Madonna (talking about her daughter like she had never done before and also talking about the people in the fashion world that have helped her and become her friends).... and I just thought gees, this woman is hanging out with Madonna a bit too much these days!! I also loved Madonna's comment on the MTV News report about how she now felt about Courtney Love, the woman that she once compared to a person with Tourette's Syndrome. Kurt asked her if she has matured.... Madonna kind of chuckled and said, "Yes, definitely!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:32:54 -0500 (EST) From: BClochard@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna: another lyric question for ya'll... In a message dated 97-11-06 03:38:59 EST, you write: << "...and the earth was void(<---???) and empty...and darkness was upon the face of the earth" she said a lot of lines that weren't printed in the booklet on this album. this was one. can anyone tell me what they think? >> I believe this is a line from a Walt Whitman poem... (Can anyone back me up on that??) Actually, I remember some people criticizing her use of this line of the poewm because they felt that she was using it way out of context... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:43:39 -0500 (EST) From: BClochard@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna: Courtney in US and all OVER!! In a message dated 97-11-06 13:39:53 EST, you write: << I also loved Madonna's comment on the MTV News report about how she now felt about Courtney Love, the woman that she once compared to a person with Tourette's Syndrome. Kurt asked her if she has matured.... Madonna kind of chuckled and said, "Yes, definitely!" >> I just had to add the following theory a friend of mine came up with... He is convinced that Courtney Love is like a black widow and is slowly "offing" celebrities after she gets out of them what she wants (i.e. Kurt Cobain/ Gianni Versace/ etc.) He says that Michael Stipe and Madonna had better watch their backs... I was trying to get him to commit to saying that Courtney had something to do with Princess Diana's or Mother Teresa's deaths, but there just isn't that great of a connection... But he also thinks that Johj\n Denver's plane was tinkered by Courtney?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:06:51 -0800 From: eriq Subject: Re: Madonna: Courtney in US this is so pitiful. let the artist stand on her own. I'm tired of seeing Madonna fans still knocking other artists because they think Madonna is either BETTER or for whatever reason. They are both great artists and who gives a flying shit whether Courtney's standing naked or not? What the hell? you think Madonna invented tits and ass? eriq MARQUETTE, Seth wrote: > Courtney has an ULTRA Madonna like spread in theis month's issue of > US... pretty rediculous if you ask me. Hell... she even goes to the > poit of standing in the streets nude... only with panties and a trench > coat carefully placed (see Maddona hitchhiking in Miami.) Can't this > girl get some originality? - -- eriq creative director C y B e r D i V A Digital direct@cyberdiva.com 415.923.5256 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 13:52:17 CST From: allanca@55mdg.offutt.af.mil Subject: Madonna: Searching:Buenos Aires I was recently reading about the Buenos Aires remixes which are know playing in local dance clubs and was woundering if anyone would be willing to sell the CD to me. I've never heard the remix and from the emails i've gotten so far it's not worth buying but i'm a devoted fan and my collection is not complete. If anyone can help me get in touch. chris- allanca@55mdg.offutt.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:03:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Simpson Subject: Re: Madonna: Courtney in US > either BETTER or for whatever reason. They are both great artists and who > gives a flying shit whether Courtney's standing naked or not? What the > hell? you think Madonna invented tits and ass? Actually, it's rather interesting the remarks Courtney makes about Madonna in US. She essentially says that she originally wouldn't do anything Madonna had done. She realized it would limit her to sitting in a corner and screaming - something Madonna has not yet done - and got over it. References to M are peppered throughout the interview - it sounds like they've really hit it off as a pair. My favorite passage (and I'm assuming she was referring to Madonna) goes on about how Italian women are always comfortable in their skin - because Italian mothers always tell their daughters how beautiful they are. Sounds like someone we know. M is also in this week's Newsweek in an article about Testino - it's a photo I've not seen, and it's nice. /-| Jim Simpson, University of Michigan |-/ /-| http://www-personal.umich.edu/~freyjs |-/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:14:24 -0000 From: "Steven Toole" Subject: Madonna: MadInfo: EVITA AT WOOLWORTHS NEXT WEEK ======================================================================== This message has been brought to the Madonna list by madinfo@mlvc.org. Please send similar information to madinfo@mlvc.org since all e-mail sent there will end up on madonna@mlvc.org. Thanks! ======================================================================== More Evita Home Purchase Offer news, this time for Woolworths. Apparently, upon purchasing a copy of the movie there next week you recieve a free making of the movie video - no more details i am afraid steve o'toole england ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:57:27 +0100 From: "Claustrophobic Criminal" Subject: Madonna: Europe Music Awards 97 Madonna didn't win. Ahhhhhh :o((( Janet Jackson, i mean Janet won. And I wonder why. Got 'Til It's Gone was barely released when MTV told the nominees for this year's awards. BTW, U2 opened the show with MoFo, which I loved,, cos U2 is #2 after Madonna. :o) David - -I'm fucking pissed, OK? When I'm pissed off I gotta express myself, ya know what I'm fucking sayin'?- Madonna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:33:00 +0100 From: Thierry Veran Subject: Madonna: [Fwd: MTV Europe Music Awards] Message-ID: <34622ED0.1F@meditnet.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:55:44 +0100 From: Thierry Veran X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Madinfo@mlvc.org Subject: MTV Europe Music Awards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The winner for the best female this year is .....Janet Jackson. Madonna Toni Braxton Bjork Cheryl Crow were the others nominations. Thierry Veran .....Monte-Carlo http://www.chez.com/montecarlo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:50:17 -0500 From: "Giovanni Mantilla" Subject: Madonna: I need your HELP! Hi people! I need your help, has anyone of you ordered anything from Music Boulevard (www.musicblvd.com ) ??? I ordered a bunch of CDs ( some of the are Madonna's ) about 3 (and counting) weeks ago and still haven't received anything. I am sooooooooooooooo worried about this, i mean, it was about $160 in CDs.. that's way a lot of money for a teenager to spend and LOSE... damn... why should this happen to me? BTW. I live in South America, but normally, it takes about 2 weeks (or less) to receive packages here (i guess...) . So again, has any of you ever ordered anything from them?? Did you get your order?? how long did it take to reach you? please help, from a seriously concerned Madonna fan.... PS. they were shipped by "parcel air mail" (?)... is that the same to air mail?? do they take more through "parcel air mail"?? If you know something, anything... LET ME KNOW! ;)) Thanks for listening.... PPS. if you wanna know somof the stuff i ordered, visit my page, go to "My Collection" and then scroll down to "Coming Soon". Giovanni Mantilla giofabman@hotmail.com ********************* CORNFLAKE CITY-----> My Tribute To Tori Amos http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/main.html Giovanni's ARTIST CENTRAL http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/personal.html ********************** "Me and Jesus a few years back, Used to hang and He said, "It's your choice, babe, just remember, I don't think you'll be back three days time, so you choose well." " ToRi AmOs, "Me And A Gun" *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:23:50 -0330 (NST) From: Butt Darryl Subject: Re: Madonna: another lyric question for ya'll... The lyrics did come form Walt Whitman poem, I asked a english prof went the ablum came out. Can't remember what the name of the peom was though? Darryl On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 BClochard@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-11-06 03:38:59 EST, you write: > > << "...and the earth was void(<---???) and empty...and darkness was upon the > face of the earth" > > she said a lot of lines that weren't printed in the booklet on this album. > this was one. can anyone tell me what they think? >> > > > I believe this is a line from a Walt Whitman poem... (Can anyone back me up > on that??) Actually, I remember some people criticizing her use of this line > of the poewm because they felt that she was using it way out of context... > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 16:11:49 CST From: allanca@55mdg.offutt.af.mil Subject: Madonna: Get over Courtney!!! Comparing two of the biggest stars in todays music industry is an insult to both of them. Each one of them have qualities that are unique and yes they do have some alike. But do you honestly think others will not copy them also. I think the only reason why people are making a big stink over the two is because they were once at each others throat because Courtney was bad mouthing madonna's bad CandleBox. And for the people talking about the "Forbidden love" get over it, you've run that stupid topic into the ground. Plus i thought this mailing list was about Madonna, not who looks or acts like her(kylie Minogue) I'd expect the operator of the list to put a stop to this trash talk. Maybe this is why people are unsubscribing. DUH! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:56:08 PST From: "Henry Sverrisson" Subject: Madonna: Performance According to the OMFC homepage, Madonna will not perform on the Versace memoral in December. She will attend though. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:50:51 PST From: "Henry Sverrisson" Subject: Madonna: MTV awards Oh well, Madonna didnīt win - she lost to Janet. I guess at least itīs better she lost to her then Björk or Toni Braxton... This show was a piece of shit by the way - I mean, Spice girls, Hanson and Oasis getting awards - HELLO???? Madonna will be back with a vengange next year!!! H. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:55:44 +0100 From: Thierry Veran Subject: Madonna: MadInfo: MTV Europe Music Awards ======================================================================== This message has been brought to the Madonna list by madinfo@mlvc.org. Please send similar information to madinfo@mlvc.org since all e-mail sent there will end up on madonna@mlvc.org. Thanks! ======================================================================== The winner for the best female this year is .....Janet Jackson. Madonna Toni Braxton Bjork Cheryl Crow were the others nominations. Thierry Veran .....Monte-Carlo http://www.chez.com/montecarlo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:56:34 +0100 From: "KIM JESSEN." Subject: Madonna: MadInfo: NO AWARD FOR MADONNA!!! ======================================================================== This message has been brought to the Madonna list by madinfo@mlvc.org. Please send similar information to madinfo@mlvc.org since all e-mail sent there will end up on madonna@mlvc.org. Thanks! ======================================================================== Madonna did not win the award for best female at the European Music=20 Awards, the price wen=B4t to Janet. Prodigy won for best Dance act though. KIM. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:20:13 EST From: MaEvita Subject: Re: Madonna: Courtney in US In a message dated 97-11-06 09:37:41 EST, marquettes@cmrs.org.uk writes: << Courtney has an ULTRA Madonna like spread in theis month's issue of US... pretty rediculous if you ask me. Hell... she even goes to the poit of standing in the streets nude... only with panties and a trench coat carefully placed (see Maddona hitchhiking in Miami.) Can't this girl get some originality? >> Just Because Someone happens to be standing in the street or in a pose Madonna may have done sometime in her life does not mean they are trying to be like her. Not everyone is out there just to copy Madonna, and I personally think Courtney is just as original as Madonna. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:44:30 -0500 (EST) From: Nayrb7@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Madonna: lotsa Bryans. :o) <> ;o) is that the george michael tune from Older? if so, i really like that song too. boots! bryan http://members.aol.com/nayrb7 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:01:10 +0000 From: "MARQUETTE, Seth" Subject: Re: Madonna: Courtney in US You know, if you look back I have said this repeatedly that the supposed "copying" of Madonna is way overrated, but whoever Courtney's team of staff developing her new image is obviously is utilizing Madonna's methods. Don't get me wrong, I don't think everything Madonna does is original... but there is a line between paying tribute and blatent reproduction. But I am glad to see that you support a difference of opinion there Eriq. Seth eriq wrote: > > this is so pitiful. let the artist stand on her own. I'm tired of seeing > Madonna fans still knocking other artists because they think Madonna is > either BETTER or for whatever reason. They are both great artists and who > gives a flying shit whether Courtney's standing naked or not? What the > hell? you think Madonna invented tits and ass? > > eriq > > MARQUETTE, Seth wrote: > > > Courtney has an ULTRA Madonna like spread in theis month's issue of > > US... pretty rediculous if you ask me. Hell... she even goes to the > > poit of standing in the streets nude... only with panties and a trench > > coat carefully placed (see Maddona hitchhiking in Miami.) Can't this > > girl get some originality? > > -- > > eriq > creative director > C y B e r D i V A Digital > direct@cyberdiva.com > 415.923.5256 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:02:35 PST From: "Lucky Star" Subject: Re: Madonna: another lyric question for ya'll... <<< "...and the earth was void(<---???) and empty...and darkness was upon the face of the earth">>> It totally reminds me In the Beginning by Motley Crew.. I have no Idea why.. it just pops in my head everytime I hear just the lyrics.. "In the beginning Good always overpowered the evils Of all mans sins.... But in time the nations grew weak And our cities fell to slums While evil stood strong.... In the dusts of hell Lurked the blackest of hates For he whom they feared Awaited them.... Now many many lifetimes later Lay destroyed, beaten down, Only the corpses of rebels Ashes of dreams And blood stained streets.... It has been written "Those who have the youth Have the future" So come now, children of the beast Be Strong And Shout At The Devil" I think I am officially bonkers.. not only showing my age but that I am truly insane... Anyone see a similarity? why does this pop in my head.. I was almost thinkin that the Maddy lyrics were part of the Crue ones.. sheesh Take care.. *the Dizzy blonde* LuckyStar :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~Express Yourself~~Respect Yourself~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~LuckyStar~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~Who Shines On All~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/4507 ~~~~ mailto:expressyourself@hotmail.com ~~~~~ ~~~Express Yourself~~Don't Repress Yourself~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 15:51:24 PST From: "GAZ inOZ" Subject: Madonna: Defending: Kylie & Did U Do It - ----------------------- KYLIE - THE ULTIMATE MADONNA WANNABE As a citizen in Kylie's homeland (Down Under) I have to defend her, for those of you who cant understand the Kylie-Madonna connection, 1) Her musical success (like early Madonna) was unprecedented, she had a string (about 15) of top 5 hits in Aust. and esp. the UK, like Madonna 2) She (like Madonna), "fell" into music, and (like M) has always been critised, as not being able to sing (she was prev. a TV actress). 3) She has dabbled in the odd, major film (like M), again often critisised 4) She has been stereotyped as a blonde-bombshell (like M), with a strong gay following 5) She (like M) is only now getting critical acclaim 6) Also, she *copied* Madonna , a 1994 photobook, a 1991 tour imitating BA, 7) if famous for catchy pop-songs, some have similarities (style, not music wise) e.g. Confide in Me=Erotica, Where is the feeling=JML, Step back in Time+Deeper&Deeper, Holiday=I should be so lucky BUT , unlike Madonna Kylie has STRUGGLED to gain control, creative and otherwise over her career, she now rights her songs lyrics, when prev. she would record a whole album, in a matter of days, with songs that were written in 10min. HER NEW ALBUM IS DUE OUT AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS MADONNA'S AND IT MARKS A SHOCKING SHIFT FROM THE "SAFETY" OF DANCE SONGS, TO ROCK!, SHE IS MOST LIKE MADONNA IN THAT SHE SETS OUT TO ALWAYS TRYS TO DO SOMETHING NEW, NO MATTER HOW RISKY IT IS........ I see her as the Australian Madonna (ie. Madoona on a smaller scale) - -------------------------------------- DID YOU DO IT i know everyone hates this song, but try to observe it from a feminist perspective. It is a send up of the lies men tell their friends, the main rapper discusses how he FUCKED madonna, with Madonna returning with the chorus unsatisfied and "waiting", in the end we discover he never had sex with Madonna at all. Obviosly Madonna wrote this with her many supposed-ex-boyfriends in mind, here the rappers can be seen as the media who for the sake of scandal make up tales to tell the public. It is tottaly at home in the "darker-side" of the Erotica album. Its no Vogue, but WE HAVE TO APPRECIATE THE DIVERSITY IN MUSICAL STYLES THAT MADONNA OFFERS US, WITHIN ALBUMS, AND EVEN WITHIN SONGS so, like Forbidden love, Jimmy Jimmy, etc, APPRECIATE IT!!!!!! BYE FROM AUSTRALIA GAZ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:56:37 -0600 From: Donovan Lord Subject: Madonna: LIKE A PRAYER I have a question. I have my own thoughts on this, but what exactly is Like A Prayer about? I know what I think it's about but what are everyone else's opinions or facts about this song's meaning? Thanks!! D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:12:43 -0800 (PST) From: SCN User Subject: Re: Madonna: Wal-Mart not selling Madonna anymore Wal-Mart does this with all the music they sell. In plain words they censor. Sheryl Crow wrote a song about it and they refused to sell her CD. I would never buy music at Wal-Mart unless it was the only place. Eric On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Selena Fraire wrote: > I went to Wal-Mart today, and I noticed that they had a copy of > "Erotica" but that it was edited. I picked it up, and I noticed that > "Did You Do It?" was not on there. Now, I know that this version > existed, but why would Wal-Mart choose to sell this version that would > give their customer less song. > > I'll tell you why. Wal-Mart, who supplies the nation with roughly 10% > of its music, told Madonna that they would not sell the album unless it > was the clean version. > > This is retarded. > > Wal-Mart needs to understand that what singers do is art, and that we > are not the ones who should judge this art. People should judge the > art, and then decide if it is too risque. And parents who are afraid > that their children might get a hold of this "filth" should probably > consider that the only way their children would want this "filth" was if > they raised them that way. > > **A man has to be open minded and SEXY > to get with the stunning Selena!*** > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:21:08 -0700 (MST) From: Arnaldo Rojas Galarraga Subject: Madonna: MTV Europe. HI, A friend just told me MTV will present the MTV Europe Aw. in just half on hour. (8pm New York time) so Madonna didn't won the award ha?, somebody could tell me if the show is good? Will I waste my time? Something good? Please e-mail me and sorry I had been VERY disconnected to the TV this days ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit My Page at: http://www.uscolo.edu/ro0832ar/index.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Send URL to get linked! (+ name of your page) Send your backstage ad! (+ e-mail address) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " C'mon U Know U wanna watch" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:54:00 EST From: ClubMixMan Subject: Re: Madonna: Wal-Mart not selling Madonna anymore In a message dated 97-11-06 19:50:34 EST, muy_guapo@hotmail.com writes: > I went to Wal-Mart today, and I noticed that they had a copy of > "Erotica" but that it was edited. I picked it up, and I noticed that > "Did You Do It?" was not on there. Now, I know that this version > existed, but why would Wal-Mart choose to sell this version that would > give their customer less song. > There are 2 versions of Erotica. The edited one does not contain 'Did You Do It?' and of course has less profanity or whatever. What is the big deal with Wal-Mart? If you don't see it there go to the another music store and get it. Besides..Wal-Mart's selection sux. Chris =} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:19:52 -0500 From: "Giovanni Mantilla" Subject: Madonna: Forbidden Love--not my pick Hi, I just thought i would comment on the SOTW. "Forbidden Love" is definitely not one of my favorite Madonna song, I agree with the one who said Madonna (unfortunately) sounds soulless and basically "singing the lines" , and in reference to Babyface's work, even though the track is impecably produced, it lacks of "emotional strenght" as I see it. For me, "Love Tried To Welcome Me" is a better song than "Forbidden Love". If I ever imagined Madonna (before BS) singing about a forbidden love, I would have imagined a teary-eye , more heartfelt ballad. I admit though, this would have been a hit. But a hit that wouldn't have done much for me. It is a track that I wouldn't miss. It was nice hearing it once on the BS album, but it surprised me it was included in STR, taking the place of gems such as "Bad Girl". I don't hate the song though. All in on all, i can listen to FL once, but you won't see me pressing the PREV button. This is just my opinion, so don't bother flaming me (i know we usually don't flame here, but just in case). ;)) Cya folks, Giovanni Mantilla giofabman@hotmail.com ********************* CORNFLAKE CITY-----> My Tribute To Tori Amos http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/main.html Giovanni's ARTIST CENTRAL http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1826/personal.html ********************** "Me and Jesus a few years back, Used to hang and He said, "It's your choice, babe, just remember, I don't think you'll be back three days time, so you choose well." " ToRi AmOs, "Me And A Gun" *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:07:10 PST From: "GAZ inOZ" Subject: Madonna: MadInfo: **** OLD SPICE, THE BIG 40 - NEWS ARTICLE **** ======================================================================== This message has been brought to the Madonna list by madinfo@mlvc.org. Please send similar information to madinfo@mlvc.org since all e-mail sent there will end up on madonna@mlvc.org. Thanks! ======================================================================== An article in the Sydney Morning Herald 6th Nov, (reprinted from the Guardian newspaper in the UK)........discusses how it harder for women when they hit 40 in the music business It refers to the public acceptance of the (almost-comical) old men in music such as the Rolling Stones, and Elton John, but for women of the same age, only Tina Turner and Diana Ross, are seen as survivors, with Joni-Mitchell, and Deb Harry seen as victims of age discrimination, D Harry esp. has been critised for wearing see-throughish dresses and moving to jazz. It notes that both Madonna and MJackson turn 40 next year, and that Madonna is at crossroads in her life as Evita, showed us a "very" mature Madonna, despite her having a mostly young fan base. It concludes basically saying that it is up to Madonna to see if she can rewrite the record books, if she can convince the world that she can still be just "like a virgin". Well, Madonna likes a challenge, and she may not still be like a virgin, and she may not want her face plastered everywhere anymore, but one things for sure SHE STILL KNOWS HOW TO WORK IT... YOU GO GIRL!!!! p.s., i saw the "new", less visually obsessed Madonna on ET, 2 days ago, I think less photo-shoots etc, will make the public more eager, and may i suggest she change her hair colour to brown, or black (wrinkles less noticable) and she adopts the Barbra Streisand idea of less is more, clear not powdered make-up. not that a guy like me would know anything about make-up bye from Australia GAZ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:50:38 -0500 (EST) From: OoAmBoO@aol.com Subject: Madonna: Enough with the gay stuff! Come on people...if you guys want to talk about those things...go to some chat room or newsgroup. I know your excuse is "most of madonna's male fans are gay", but I'm sure that i'm not the only straight male member of this list...and reading all this gay movie stuff is kinda annoying... :) JD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:25:41 +0800 From: The Strangest Thing Subject: Re: Madonna: lotsa Bryans. :o) Nayrb7@aol.com wrote: > ;o) is that the george michael tune from Older? if so, i really like that > song too. > > boots! > bryan > http://members.aol.com/nayrb7 Yes it is! The "Loop Ratz" mix is one of the best mixes I've ever heard and I'm sure dance fans who loved "Star People" would love this. The single was only out in UK and Australia but imports are easy to find. To make it in the slightest bit Madonna related, I put it up there with DCFMA as one of the best dance mixes to surface this year. Bryan http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/8892 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:29:30 +0800 From: The Strangest Thing Subject: Madonna: Buenos Aires on Billboard Hi everyone, This is more addressed to Alex Snell and any of the people who are into charts. Well, I just wanted to bring up, which I have been forgetting for a long time, was two weeks ago, I was listening to Rick Dees' and he mentioned "#1's on other charts" and on the Dance charts, it was "Buenos Aires". How differently are Rick Dees' and Billboard's dance charts compiled? Bryan http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/8892 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:06:15 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Simpson Subject: Re: Madonna: Courtney in US > You know, if you look back I have said this repeatedly that the > supposed "copying" of Madonna is way overrated, but whoever Courtney's > team of staff developing her new image is obviously is utilizing > Madonna's methods. Don't get me wrong, I don't think everything Or, it could be.. Courtney: "M, what do you think about this?" M: "Well, if you work with this person, you'll get this..." Courtney: "You think anyone would say I was copying you?" M: "Probably, but who cares? The two are friends - it's natural to see this happening with Courtney. /-| Jim Simpson, University of Michigan |-/ /-| http://www-personal.umich.edu/~freyjs |-/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:07:14 +0800 (MYT) From: kokweng@pl.jaring.my (Ang) Subject: Madonna: kylie minogue/new album >About Kylie always being compared to Madonna: They have a lot in common.=20 >Both are very provacative and present themselfs as strong females, and=20 >both are very sexual. Both change their image a lot and both make great=20 >music videos. And they=B4ve been popular for a long time. Hello Henry, I've never hear of Kylie as the "provocative" and the "strong" one. Can you perhaps explain more especially on the "provocative" side? Or is the the "positive provocative" one unlike Madonna? >Virgin Megastore in Rotterdam has a large list of upcoming releases. >Today, they added the following new album to their list: > >24/2/98: Madonna - Drowned World > >Floris Hello Floris, Do you mean that's the *title* of the album? Ang ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:54:47 -0500 (EST) From: Tchad7@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna: Videos In a message dated 97-11-05 07:30:47 EST, MB.0307.S.STUDENT.SI@acme.solent.ac.uk writes: << Firstly, I'd like to say that I think everyone's getting to caught up in this 'not making videos' thing. Madonna said exactly the same thing in her 1993 interview, Girlie Talk, where she said she didn't know if she was going to make any more videos, and she still did. >> I think she meant that she wasn't going to make any more videos for the "Erotica" album. Did anyone else get this impression from the "Girlie Talk" interview? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:16:11 PST From: "Mr. Neston" Subject: Madonna: Wal-Mart is the one doing something wrong, not me! I have something to say. I know that my last few posts have been very negative, but I do not mean to be. I am mad about something again, though. I posted information about Madonna and Wal-Mart to this list to inform and to maybe have a little discussion. I did not post it to "be a bitch" as someone e-mailed me. Another person wrote and said that I was "retarded" and that "Wal-Mart is just promoting family values, something that Madonna obviously slips at times and does not." Finally, some jerk (and I feel my calling him that is justified) wrote me to say that I am a "stupid Mexican whore" and that "this shit just clogs up the list and makes lame people make responses." Well, I've received 11 personal responses, and I assure you that these people are not lame. I am not being a "bitch" by targeting Wal-Mart. I am simply saying that I do not appreciate their censoring of albums. I also do not care whether Madonna does or does not promote family values -- who is Wal-Mart to decide what kind of values my family needs? Finally, my race does not matter in the least. Leave what I am out of this. Please, I can take constructive criticism. But do not write mean, spiteful letters to me. I do have feelings, you know. Selena **Is he sensitive as well as muy guapo? Then he may stand a chance with the stunning Selena!** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:47:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Simpson Subject: Re: Madonna: Wal-Mart is the one doing something wrong, not me! > Well, I've received 11 personal responses, and I assure you that these > people are not lame. First - personal e-mail should never be a public concern on this list. > Please, I can take constructive criticism. But do not write mean, > spiteful letters to me. I do have feelings, you know. Second - please do not post messages like this. You take a risk posting an opinion, you need to deal with the consequences. Folks, we're really getting off topic - can we get back to Madonna? Thank you. /-| Jim Simpson, University of Michigan |-/ /-| http://www-personal.umich.edu/~freyjs |-/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: Cloudraker@aol.com Subject: Madonna: Lyrical Mistakes Did anyone else notice that the lyrics in the album booklet to "Bedtime Story" did not match what Madonna sings? The reprinted words say: "Learning logic and reason" but I believe Madonna sings: "Leaving logic and reason." Her vocal delivery sounds more convincing with those words considering the other-worldly context of the song. Anyone agree/disagree? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:24:38 -0500 (EST) From: Nayrb7@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna: Lyrical Mistakes In a message dated 97-11-07 01:37:35 EST, Cloudraker@aol.com writes: >Did anyone else notice that the lyrics in the album booklet to "Bedtime >Story" did not match what Madonna sings? The reprinted words say: "Learning >logic and reason" but I believe Madonna sings: "Leaving logic and reason." >Her vocal delivery sounds more convincing with those words considering the >other-worldly context of the song. >Anyone agree/disagree? i agree. i wonder if "learning" was what Bjork had intended when writing the song, or if it was just a big mistake by the booklet-makers. or did madonna just sing it wrong? it seems like "learning" would be more of a bjork-ish way of singing the song....i can imagine hearing her singing it with her awesome accented voice slurring the "earn" in "learning." anyway, it kinda bugged me when i read along with the song in the booklet for the fisrt time and hearing it sung differently from what i read. i went crazy for a bit, constantly rereading it and killing myself for actually--BLASPHEMY--being confused by a madonna song. i mean, the word change really does change the meaning of the song dramatically! grrr.... but i'm ok now. :o) boots! bryan http://members.aol.com/nayrb7 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:17:02 -0500 (EST) From: Words18@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna: Lyrical Mistakes In a message dated 97-11-07 01:37:35 EST, you write: << Did anyone else notice that the lyrics in the album booklet to "Bedtime Story" did not match what Madonna sings? The reprinted words say: "Learning logic and reason" but I believe Madonna sings: "Leaving logic and reason." Her vocal delivery sounds more convincing with those words considering the other-worldly context of the song. Anyone agree/disagree? >> Well this hapeens alot with musical artist when they get in the studio it may be diffrent or sound diffrent i have found this in lyrics from groups like Ace Of Base, Fun Factory 2 Unlimited and Many many moire ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 05:39:15 -0500 From: "**MBP: Let dinner sing!!**" Subject: Madonna: SOTW: Forbid-den Lahahove... Pasta's Protege wrote: > > > Alex Snell wrote: > > > >FL was at one time my favorite song on BS (it was first Sanctuary, then > >FL, now Love Tried To Welcome Me). That those three album tracks are so > >strong--that the album is so consistent as opposed to being divided into > >phenomenal singles and OK-to-pretty-good album filler--is one reason I > >consider BS to be Madonna's best album after her debut. > > BSes is in fact, perhaps, my favourite album, although I find it hard to > compare LAP, E and BSes because in their own right they are all fantastic. Not to reignite the great "which album is better" debate and inspire a slew of insipid one-line posts about which album is everyone's favorite.....but.... I just can't really understand how you guys can say that "BEDTIME STORIES" flows any better than nearly any of Madonna's other albums. First of all, the quality of the entire production is well below that of either "EROTICA" (the greatest album of all time) or "LIKE A PRAYER". "BEDTIME STORIES" is extraordinarily inconsistent: it has GREAT songs like "SECRET" and "HUMAN NATURE" and HORRIBLE songs like "DON'T STOP" and perhaps "SURVIVAL". "BEDTIME STORIES" reminds me of "TRUE BLUE" in that sense: a bunch of awesome, great songs, but filled in with some real crap. And if you want to take into account the fact that the great songs on "TRUE BLUE" (namely "LIVE TO TELL", "LA ISLA BONITA", and "PAPA DON'T PREACH") are so incredibly *GREAT* and truly stand the test of time you can argue that TB is actually a better album than BS because BS lacks any tracks of such incredible lasting greatness. But I am getting a little off track. I don't think the album flows well because I see it as being split into distinct segments. These segments flow well within themselves, but as a whole the project is kind of choppy, and is certainly Madonna's most boring and most unstimulating album (of her 1989-on work) to listen to. We start out with a very weak track, "SURVIVAL" and follow it up one of Madonna's best songs, "SECRET". Following "SECRET" is a mediocre track, "I'D RATHER BE YOUR LOVER" (despite the kickin' bass line, yes, I admit) followed by one of the worst songs Madonna has released since she got a record deal, "DON'T STOP". Yikes. What a disaster. Ah. Anyway, out of the first four songs, you have one amazing song and 3 others which fail to raise an eyebrow. Then the direction changes a bit with the distinctive "INSIDE OF ME", a very strong song, and one which is complemented by another bass-heavy track, "HUMAN NATURE". "FORBIDDEN LOVE" follows nicely, but then the direction changes yet again, with "LOVE TRIED TO WELCOME ME", "SANCTUARY", and "BEDTIME STORY". This threesome is clearly the album's strength in terms of cohesiveness, musically and thematically. However, Madonna ruins her growth towards the end of the album with the disasterous "TAKE A BOW"....ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba baaaaaa....big deal. Talk about singing the lines and not communicating emotion.....oh boy. Anyway, the songs on "BEDTIME STORIES" don't fit too well together lyrically either. Let's review, track by track: 1 - surviving media crucifiction 2 - discovering a secret 3 - wanting to be someone's lover 4 - ???? nothing, really 5 - resolving her mother's death 6 - fuck you to those who said fuck you to her 7 - love/sex with someone you're not supposed to have it with/fucked up desires of thinking what you can't have is sexiest 8 - sad because you can't allow yourself to love 9 - can't take the sadness of the world anymore, exploring desires of burrowing away into someone to escape 10 - even further escapism; sooooo sad that communication by traditional means (language) is rendered useless and the solution is to die (get unconscious) 11 - the show is over, we're dead, let's sing like it to music that'll kill you if you survived the album to this point So you see, only songs 8-11 really make any sense next to each other, and I don't really think the album is so strong lyrically as a whole. Just open the booklet to "EROTICA" and read poem after clever poem and then tell me that "don't stop doing what you're doing baby" is better. As for "FORBIDDEN LOVE": a very good song, especially in light of the fact that it was written with Babyfuck. As Alex noted though, it was produced NOT with him but with Nellee Hooper, and it makes a tremendous amount of difference. This song is very sexy despite its strange proclamation ("rejection is the greatest aphrodisiac"....sounds like someone needs a therapist....that religion and yoga shit just ain't working Maddy) because Madonna really puts a lot of feeling into her vocals, and draws out notes so sweetly. "forbid-den lahahove" "in yourrrrrrr smiiiiilllle" "if I had ONE wish, love would feeeeel LIKE thissss" These lines are all so nicely complimented by Babyfuck's backing vocals and combined with some nice music make for an *EXTREMELY* moody track. And as several people have noted, Madonna really seems to wake up at the very end (where the song very prematurely fades out....it REALLY calls for an extended version) with her desperately sad cries of "heaven forbid me, never forgive me, love should always, feel like, this." As for FL's inclusion on "SOMETHING TO REMEMBER", well, I think the reasons were threefold: 1. Madonna really liked the song and wanted more people to get a chance to hear it 2. it could've been a single and likely was prepared for release many many months before STR was even conceived and 3. the only representative from "BEDTIME STORIES" was "TAKE A BOW", which everyone knew already and which really doesn't represent the album very well, and perhaps Madonna wanted to give people more of a look at her more edgy material. Whatever the reasoning though, I think it's artistically inexcusable and irresponsible to include it (not to mention the orchestral version of "I WANT YOU") in place of some of Madonna's most heartfelt ballads, which are, of course, "BAD GIRL", "PROMISE TO TRY", "THE LOOK OF LOVE", "IN THIS LIFE", "SPANISH EYES", or even "INSIDE OF ME". Just a blatant marketing decision, and although I like having "FORBIDDEN LOVE" on the album, it's a travesty that some of these other tracks were rejected. BTW, "BUENOS AIRES" tumbles to #16 on the Club Play chart in the new Billboard. :-( G O R D O N - -- =====BLUE=====PASTA======gmurray@eci.com======BLUE=====PASTA===== "Pour pasta in boiling salted water; Add a pinch of blue vegetable dye; Stir and boil gently with cover on for 13 minutes." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * THE GREAT ALFREDO chops on smoothly, with the lasagna on his side.* * Get into the BLUE groove....and perhaps you will be choppin' too. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The Great Alfredo muses, "Scrumptious blue pasta ARRIVES!! At long last, it embraces our spirits, frees our demons, and unleashes our desires; it fulfills our lonely souls...EAT THE POWER." =======BLUE==PASTA=======gmurray@eci.com=======BLUE==PASTA======= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 06:45:28 -0500 (EST) From: Nayrb7@aol.com Subject: Re: Madonna: MTV Europe. well, it was very sad that maddy didn't win. :o( my friend and i were sooo hoping it would be her or toni braxton, since both did a LOT this year (madonna with evita and toni , not that i like her or hate her, with her many singles). bjork JUST released a new album, which, although is great, doesn't compare with the effort of maddy or toni. and as for Janet, the same thing about bjork goes with her. i mean, Velvet Rope JUST came out with a first video that was released AFTER the nomination. janet did NOTHING this year before VR. what's up with that? i mean, i like janet and all, but i voted for madonna a million times in this category, and janet swept it away? hello! what is the world coming to?? oh, and what is UP with the new nosering, janet, darlin'? copying Prodigy now, are we? noserings are so MADONNA 1995, miss jackson! you are soooo behind!!! ;o) boots! bryan<---who owns VR and likes it. http://members.aol.com/nayrb7 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:13:19 -0500 From: "Jamgotchian, Nevart" Subject: Madonna: WHA'TS UP W/OUR LADY M & RU PAUL This we probably went over already one other time but please forgive me. Here in NY we have that radio station WKTU 103.5 and in the mornings Ru Paul constantly (slight exaggeration) seems to have something negative to say about our Lady M. Could someone possibly take a minute to explain why this is? Nevart Jamgotchian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:46:52 -0500 From: Thomas Go Subject: Madonna: New/OLD news. Hey there. I got the following info from the ICON web page. Madonna will not perform at the Metropolitan Museum of Arts, but she'll attend. The title for Substitue For Love has been changed to Drowned World. Here is the url where I gather this info. http://www.madonnafanclub.com/whatsnew.htm Later, Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:08:45 +0100 From: Madonnadance Subject: Re: Madonna: Entertainment Tonight!!! JD wrote: > Madonna is on ET!!! Wow! This is so weird...whenever I turn the TV on, > something about Madonna always shows up somehow! Does this happen to anyone > else? Geez!That hardly happen to me! *sigh* Maybe it's me who's so unlucky and always misses Madonna appearances on TV,but I think italian Tv doesn't show her much.I have to rely on MTV if I wanna see some specials about her. Does any italian agree? Take care, Stefano - -- ********************* M A D O N N A D A N C E ********************* **** http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/8804/index.html **** *Please vote my site as Starting Point Hot Site! Just click below:* http://www.stpt.com/cgi-bin/general/vote.cgi?category=personal&vote=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FSunsetStrip%2FClub%2F8804%2Findex.html&title=Roys+Homepage&email=sgrsfn@mv.itline.it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 9:22:49 CST From: allanca@55mdg.offutt.af.mil Subject: Madonna: Madonna News I found this article on the Web and thought it strange that Madonna was being compared to the ETA. What do you guys think as Madonna Fans. And what video's do you think they were referring to. Madonna Video Used To Make Separatists Look Tame: Madonna has prompted more than her share of controversies in the sexual and religious arenas, but she's never exactly been considered a violent threat. But that's all changing in a Spanish courtroom. The Agence France Presse reports that experts testifying for the defense of Basque separatist politicians in Madrid screened clips of Madonna videos to illustrate the point that a film made by the armed group ETA was relatively harmless compared to the singer's emotionally charged imagery. Twenty-three leaders of the Herri Batasuna Party are on trial for collaborating with the outlawed group ETA by screening one of the group's films at an election rally last year. The ETA film shows masked and armed guerrillas outlining their demands; four professors of communications argued for the defense that it did not convey "any more threatening message than a call to armed struggle." Their take on the Material Girl's videos? "Madonna's videos try to create emotional states while ETA's is limited to communicating information." Needless to say, prosecution lawyers were less than thrilled by the supreme court judges' decision to allow this line of testimony. Chris- Allanca@55mdg.offutt.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 16:35:45 EST5EDT From: tz011249@pt.tizeta.it (eva kant) Subject: Madonna: do you really want to lose weight? LOSE WEIGHT NOW ASK ME HOW! FRANCIS tz011249@pt.tizeta.it write me for information from everywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:19:05 +0800 From: "Jonathan Ong" Subject: Madonna: Looking for Fans in SF Hi,Everyone! Any Madonna fans living in San Francisco knows any good place to visit to get Madonna stuff?? Please e-mail me at : jonatong@singnet.com.sg Thanks!! ====================================== >From Jonathan Ong Singapore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:39:29 -0600 From: The Hunts Subject: Madonna: the new album date? I really tend to believe this report about the virgin mega store in rotterdam posting that madonna's new album would be out there on feb 24th--it is a tuesday--also that the title would be Drowned world--that could be possible,.She may be releaseing the single as the title track in feb, that could also be what they are reffering to. I called blockbuster music to see if they had any info on a single in feb--nada. i am going to call our virgin mega store to see if they have any info. It is fesable that the store in roterdam will get the album earlier then us. I guess icon 26 will fix all my guessing--if the title is drowned world then I think we have some very good info. If it isnt then I will promtly put my foot into my mouth. Kel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:28:29 EST From: Cloudraker Subject: Madonna: Madonna VS. Motley Crue To be quite honest, I don't think "Sanctuary" is even in the same league as a Motley Crue song, whatever the lyrics may be. Madonna's words and choral arrangements are far more seductive and they talk about sexuality and love (I think). The Motley Crue song sounds like another "this world sucks and we all should die" anthem. So any comparison drawn here would be like trying to relate the Gobi desert and the Pacific Ocean. But this is just my opinion and it's open to debate. CLOUDRA KER ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 03:24:09 +0800 (SGT) From: Jason Goh Subject: Re: Madonna: Wal-Mart not selling Madonna anymore Jason D J Engel wrote: >You think WalMart is bad because of it's censorship policies? Think again >Selena, ENTIRE COUNTRIES did this to the Erotica album. In Canada (and >there are many many other countries.. anyone?) ONLY the edited version was >released. I have the Australian import (Girlie Show commemorative) which >has the 14th track, and it is nothing to cry over. I only saw the Unclean versions of Erotica while training in Hawaii. The edited versions weren't anywhere to be found. In Singapore, only edited versions of Erotica are distributed. Records featuring The Girlie Show are banned. And so is the book SEX. Best regards, - ------------------------------------------------------- Jason Goh http://www.singnet.com/~a12345/jason.htm - ------------------------------------------------------- M A D O N N A - I N T E R A C T I V E http://madonna-interactive.home.ml.org - ------------------------------------------------------- Visit today for pure Madonna interactive entertainment! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of Madonna-Digest V6 #304 *****************************